Tuesday, November 21, 2006

Comments for Kaitlin and Nicole

All good things to say about you two.


At 5:38 PM, Blogger Amanda Pearsall said...

Kaitlin and Nicole
I really enjoyed your presentation today for its clearness, cohesiveness, and visual imagery. It was valuable for us as a class, to have the many aspects of Nyberg’s theory (ie. Showing, hiding) visualized and applied directly to pictures. Your work is particularly interesting to Alex and I because you have spent a great deal of time considering how an individual will use actual deception in photographs, like cropping and deleting. Alex and I will be looking beyond the act of deception and considering what characteristics of the sender actually add or subtract from their level of deceptive behavior (ie. This same cropping and deleting).
Nicole- I loved the fact that you spent time in the presentation considering the ethical implications of deception, especially since in the class itself we have only slightly touched on the topic when discussing phishing. I thought a valuable point was established during Q&A that there will always be some level of expectation on the receiver’s part to be provided with an accurate depiction of reality. Do we have rights as viewers and receivers? It’s an important question.
You both did a great job in the hot seat. I was happy to see that you tied in a lot of examples mentioned in Visual Communication. In addition, Kaitlin, you made a great point that a picture’s effect truly depends on the viewer’s predisposition. You pointed out that there are acceptable and unacceptable times to alter the photograph, in the process of taking the picture, and after taking the picture. It was also very helpful that you made the distinction that deception can also happen even before you take the picture, and that Adobe has only added to this phenomenon.
Overall the two of you are doing a wonderful job. Have a great break and Happy Thanksgiving.

At 8:04 PM, Blogger Brad Hill said...

I thought your presentation was excellent. The whole thing was obviously well prepared, coherent, succinct and organized. The visuals were not only entertaining but helpful in relaying the meaning of the theories you were presenting.

The ideas you presented were far more in depth and encompassing than I expected. I was pleased to see you examined the history of photography and all the possible points of deception--on both sides of the camera and after the picture was taken. It was interesting to apply Nybergs approach to deception to specifically pictures and I thought it came across well.

As I asked in class I think that when identifying deception in pictures it is interesting to contemplate when deception is even a violation. There are obviously times manipulating a photograph is perfectly acceptable and times when it is not. However, at some point that line becomes stretched, bent and blurred. As you write your paper I think this is an important aspect to tie in.

At 10:10 PM, Blogger Shane said...

Kaitlin and Nicole -- your presentation today was excellent. From the very beginning I was interested in your topic and research and that didn't change at all throughout the presentation -- an obvious sign of a great job. Your visuals were catchy but weren't too much, your presentation style was positve and energetic, and your material was clearly laid out in a logical manner. I was especially impressed with your examples and distinctions made regarding Nyberg's concepts that can be a bit confusing. I also like how you talked about there being degrees of deception, with regards to lying being a subcategory of deception. Overall, a great job and I hope your paper turns out well!

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At 1:49 AM, Blogger Corey Ryan Earle said...

Great presentation. I thought the breakdown of the elements of showing and hiding was well organized and easy to follow. It's interesting to see photographs applied to the Nyberg model. The examples were especially nice to make each element more understandable. You really responded well to the questions and discussion, and it showed that you knew your material well.
I think the most interesting discussion was on the subtleties of deception in photographs, and where the line can be drawn between art and deception. I think the context and purpose of the photo is probably the key component here.
Oh, and Nicole's green shirt matched the PowerPoint color scheme nicely.
Enjoy the break.

At 12:25 PM, Blogger Robin Kornet said...

You guys did an awesome job! You really set a great example for the rest of us. To start, I think you have a great topic. You discussed very interesting information and I think it is really cool how you apply your study on deceptive pictures to Nyberg’s showing and hiding. While we have study Nyberg in terms of interpersonal interactions, I think it is cool how you applied, with examples, deceptions in pictures to Nyberg. Your power point was great because it not only outlined key points, but it allowed us to visualize your points as well.
There were a couple of things that you briefly discussed that I think you should highlight in your paper analysis.
1. There are many different kinds of motivations that could be behind deception in pictures. Perhaps a photojournalist’s motivations would be different than a college student who touched up their Facebook pictures.
2. I think the idea of truth bias would be interesting to touch up as well. Do we expect pictures to be truthful because of their iconicity? Do we expect photographs in a fashion magazine to be more deceptive than those found in the New York Times?
3. Go with conventional and assessment signals!
Great job you guys! It seems like you have a lot of great information. Good luck on your final paper.

At 2:27 PM, Blogger Lauren Katzberg said...

You guys did an awesome job yesterday. Presentation wise, you both came across as knowledgeable, credible, and well-spoken. It was very interesting to see your powerpoint because I had read the blog on your proposal. The first slide scared me a little because it was right out of your post and I started to think that your presentation was just going to be a reiteration of your post. This made me wonder if you were going to be able to expand upon your proposal for your final paper. I was very happy to see that you had really started to expand upon your main points. I love the whole idea of applying Nyberg’s framework to visuals. I’m sure it has been said, but your examples were both helpful and entertaining. You also found great visuals throughout the powerpoint, beyond the examples, to keep the presentation interesting. I think you should definitely suggest an answer to your question in the final paper… is Nyberg’s framework appropriate for photographs? I also think you might want to address why it might not be applicable, e.g. the inherent differences between words and photographs, before you even get into applying the framework. You should also be sure to tie in the idea of conventional and assessment signals. I think this would add a lot, considering your paper is mostly theoretical. Excellent job!

At 4:25 PM, Blogger Barrett Amos said...

Kaitlin & Nicole,

First off, great presentation! I really liked the examples you used (especially the video clip) and how they tied the presentation together. The classic examples helped to illustrate your explanation of each of Nyberg’s classifications and were invaluable to the talk as a whole. Are you planning to include some of the images as examples in your final paper as well? Either as appendices or figures, they could add a lot. As Catalina said, the whole presentation was very reminiscent of Comm 230.

The one suggestion I have is to focus a bit more on how pictures differ from text in the context of deception. I know Catalina talked about this during the Q&A session in class, but I just wanted to reiterate the point. In his framework Nyberg specifically defines a lie as “a statement; something spoken or written.” I whole-heartedly agree that a photograph can make very strong statement (think of the Elian Gonzalez photo or the photo of George Bush standing under the “Mission Accomplished” banner), but I have to wonder if there isn’t a specific reason that Nyberg limited his definition of a lie to language. Although after re-reading the text I can’t see any reason to limit the definition, I think it would be important to spend some time on it in your final paper.

Again, nice job and have a great Thanksgiving!

At 6:09 PM, Blogger Amy said...

Kaitlin and Nicole – Great job! I really enjoyed your presentation. Your topic is very interesting and extremely applicable and important to study in a time when pictures are constantly being used deceptively. As far as your presentation goes, I thought your power point presentation was excellent. The visuals that you included were very helpful and really highlighted the topics you were discussing. I really liked how you had a picture to accompany each aspect of Nyberg’s framework.
Your application of Nyberg to deception in photographs was well prepared and thought-out. It was very interesting to see you go through each aspect of the framework. As was pointed out in class, I especially liked that you did acknowledge the shortcomings of the framework and possible areas where it could be improved in dealing with photography deception.
Great job!

At 3:46 PM, Blogger Jenna Odett said...

I almost forgot to comment on how great your presentation was! Silly me. Seriously, great job. Your powerpoint was really organized and visually stimulating. Each example you offered was accompanied by a photo (or the video, which was perfectly applicable) and it shows that you put a lot of work into the presentation. I especially liked the incorporation of ethics, because it seems that aspect plays a big role in deception in photos. I think applying your ideas against Nyberg's model is tough, but you used news and visual comm theory to build your support.
For the paper I think tackling the assement/conventional goals and photographer motivations will tie your ideas together really well. Good luck, and great job on the presentation!

At 9:14 AM, Blogger Kate Frezon said...

Kaitlin and Nicole,
You guys did a great job with your presentation! I thought that it was very enjoyable, because of all of the examples you used. The amount of pictures was very helpful, and you didn't get bogged down in your text. The biggest problem I had with your presentation was that it was a bit confusing at times to figure out where in your presentation you currently were - I think Jeff's example of having all of the 6 topics listed on each slide would have really helped, because I found myself wondering that during your talk.
Other than that, I thought your presentation was very well organized, and your topic is very interesting. You did a great job at describing the different types of deception and how they can be applied to photographs. I think it's an interesting question that hasn't been addressed much, and congrats for tackling it.

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